Re: On the Subject of Ice

How do you know this? This statement is not properly backed up by at
least 3 scientists. You have no footnotes and no bibliography. Bad,
bad, bad.
Unlike yourself. I know damn good and well when I'm being snookered,
and when I'm not (footnotes and bibliography to follow). I can tell
the difference between infomercial-science and hard-science (footnotes
and bibliography to follow), though obviously you can not tell the
difference between whatever's real and what's wishfull thinking (skewed
infomercial-science and conditional laws of physics to follow).

Hard-science has those pesky hard-numbers and direct smaples to boot,
and thereby the sorts of objective results that can be replicated.
Your infomercial-science has a nasty ***-load of fuzzy logic and even
fuzzier numbers that can become skewed in order to represent just about
anything you'd care to make them into. Unfortunately, there still is
NO HARD-SCIENCE AS TO RAW ICE IN SPACE OR ON OUR MOON, as there's only
SWAGs of conjectures as based upon what could be the case it there were
a sufficient thickness of ice to begin with, such as the 262 km depth
of solid ice that I'd previously stipulated as to what our once upon a
time salty ice covered proto-moon had to work with.

Unfortunately, you're the one that's into excluding evidence and/or
substituting whatever infomercial-science as being better than
sufficient in reguard to whatever it is that you're trying to create as
an illusion, such as there being vast tonnage of spare ice that's so
easily accessible because it's situated as damn near naked upon the
surface or just slightly under the slight coverings of collected
debris, that's otherwise coexisting within the near vacuum of an
environment that's extremely extra hot by day and even traumatised by
night, as well as offered little gravity for hardly compacting of a
damn thing, nor otherwise hosting a sufficient atmosphere for the
somewhat daunting task of a lunar environment holding onto that ice or
snow or of whatever else contains the element of h2o (footnotes and
bibliography to follow).

In spite of folks like yourself, and as I've often said before, there's
great value in accomplishing our moon, including the task of possibly
extracting h2o from within that nasty sucker, and for accomplishing
that sort of task there's none better than what the LSE-CM/ISS has to
offer within existing technology and entirely residing within the
regular laws of physics, whereas most any Usenet moron of a village
idiot (even a naysay bigoted mindset like your's) can just as easily
search for those having existed before my time, that which I've since
discovered had been essentially saying the very same damn sorts of
things, as to exactly what I've been insisting are still the greater
values and opportunities that'll come to past once the Lunar Space
Elevator is up and running (footnotes and bibliography to follow).

Obviously you're impressed with the sorts of NASA/NOVA fancy-dancy
infomercial packaging, with lots of fancier (aka artificial color
hyped) pictures and of their animated graphics with custom
surround-sound tracks that'll knock your socks off, whereas otherwise
you can't manage to get yourself down to the reality of appreciating
one damn ordinary thing of truth without blowing yet another one of
your brown-nose gaskets of denial. Even the likes of your "Tomcat
Spaceplane" is someday going to fly on behalf of papering those upper
most 0.1% of humanity, except without yourself onboard (because you'll
be long dead by then or simply to damn poor to afford a ticket to
ride), or so much as even having a single credit given to your name.

For God's sake and hope to go to heaven without first getting crucified
on a stick, with a little positive and thus constructive help from the
better half of humanity, I do believe that we can easily and affordably
accomplish this all or nothing LL-1 thing, and thus achieve the
LSE-CM/ISS, at least having established the VL2-TRACE platform, as well
as robotically explore Venus via the rigid airship method, whereas this
robotic craft efficiently navigates itself above the Venus terrain
that's geothermally hot and nasty, as perhaps configured for cruising
itself as low as 25 km off the deck by season of day and as low as 15
km by season of night. Are those terrifically good sorts of mostly
robotic things to be doing, or what?

Obviously you have expressed absolutely no interest in assisting or
otherwise pursuing whatever might benefit the common good of science or
much less that of the lower 99.9% of humanity, nor has there been a
kind "tomcat" word of support on behalf of salvaging our environment
that you deny as having any problems whatsoever (other than your own
words stipulating that Earth has far too many of those Islamic/Muslim
types to deal with). With that much pagan brown-nosed naysayism
speaking for yourself and of so many other that you obviously suck up
to, only a certified minion to the Third Reich could sleep at night,
and yet you've not mentioned once having any difficulty in sleeping.

Your all american apple pie in the sky that'll demand a 10,000 lb
investment per SSME X 7 = 70,000 lbs of main engines and their
associated inert mass of related multi-engine infrastructure that's
further associated with at the very least another 330,000 lbs worth of
mostly composites involved with the aerodynamic hull and vast internals
of your all-in-one LH2/LO2 flying fuel tanker, along with it's 100,000
lb payload and then at the very least packing 2,500,000 lbs of LH2/LO2
that's going to take all of the electrical energy of this mostly
coal-fired nation for a month in order to produce, is in fact going to
SSTO+LRBs mange to LEO fly whatever's payload and wealthy passengers
like a dream machine to/from the likes of ISS. That's only a naked
tarmac SSTO spaceplane GLOW of 2,500,000 lbs + whatever LRBs at perhaps
2,000,000 lbs = 4,500,000 lbs of initial GLOW tarmac mass.

Whereas at 100,000 lbs/landing gear wheel is only demanding of 45 such
wheels. However, since I'm no good at math, I'm not even exactly sure
that an extra meter thick and alloy steal reinforced runway is going to
handle that sucker, especially if anything goes wrong.

Of course, you'll only believe in anything that's in print or otherwise
orchestrated by way of your born-again pagan gods, of those oil and
blood suckers which only know how to be the best ever pagan liars and
rusemasters as having "the right stuff", just exactly the dripping
brown-nosed way you've always liked it. Even
"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" can't help those so intent upon taking
such global energy depleations to the max, and otherwise inflicting as
much collateral damage of human and other life exterminations as
yourself have thus far accomplished and clearly having in mind for the
future.
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Brad Guth

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