Re: 72 kw - 3N Ion Engine

From: Paul F. Dietz (dietz_at_dls.net)
Date: 12/23/04


Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:03:41 -0600
To: sci-space-tech@moderators.isc.org

Henry Spencer wrote:

> And indeed, the big snag is availability. If you want a thousand tons of
> xenon, you simply can't get it in any reasonable amount of time. Even a
> hundred tons would be problematic unless you order years ahead. This is
> essentially independent of the price you're willing to pay; even if you
> outbid everyone else, there simply isn't that much production capacity.

I'm sure if you wanted to spend enough money, you could get more, but
the cost would be frightening. Xenon is obtained as a byproduct of
air liquefaction/separation, and is affordable only because almost all
the cost is borne by the customer who needs the oxygen, nitrogen, etc.
You'd have to build entire new air separation plants just for making
the xenon.

Xenon can also be obtained from spent nuclear fuel, several tens of
tons of it are produced each year as a fission product, worldwide
(most of it still contained in the spent fuel elements). There's enough
spent fuel around that I imagine you could get a thousand tons
if you really needed it, but, again, ouch about the cost.

It's a sign of the low abundance of the element that a process
that makes new atoms is even worth considering.

        Paul



Relevant Pages

  • Re: 72 kw - 3N Ion Engine
    ... >> xenon, you simply can't get it in any reasonable amount of time... ... Xenon abundance is 87 parts per billion, and since we have about ten tons ... says there's roughly 450 million tons of xenon in the atmosphere. ... careful recycling). ...
    (sci.space.tech)
  • Re: 72 kw - 3N Ion Engine
    ... >> xenon, you simply can't get it in any reasonable amount of time. ... >> hundred tons would be problematic unless you order years ahead. ... > air liquefaction/separation, and is affordable only because almost all ... > You'd have to build entire new air separation plants just for making ...
    (sci.space.tech)
  • Re: 72 kw - 3N Ion Engine
    ... you simply can't get it in any reasonable amount of time. ... > hundred tons would be problematic unless you order years ahead. ... As a matter of interest could anyone say how much Xenon is actually ...
    (sci.space.tech)
  • Re: Why Xenon in ion rockets
    ... you can have as much xenon as you want if you are willing to pay ... Even at far higher prices, the actual cost for fuel for the ion engine is dwarfed by the cost of the ion spacecraft itself, as well as its launch costs, particularly given the extremely high Isp of the ion engine. ...
    (sci.space.policy)
  • Re: 72 kw - 3N Ion Engine
    ... >> the cost is borne by the customer who needs the oxygen, nitrogen, etc. ... >> the xenon. ... > Does anyone happen to know what fraction of air seperation plants extract ... If we generously estimate the present rate of worldwide air liquification at ...
    (sci.space.tech)