Re: How do I convince my son's teachers that the US landed men on the Moon?
- From: "JP LR" <fake.address@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:40:38 +0100
"gwlucca" <gwlucca@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de
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No, this post is not a joke, although I wish it were. My son attends an
"art" high school in Lucca, Italy. His philosophy teacher and one of
his art teachers have told him that they do not believe the US ever
landed men on the Moon.
Much of their skepticism, I think, comes from an Italian "documentary"
that covers the history of the space program (US & Soviet) fairly well,
but goes bonko for about ten minutes towards the end with a sequence
asking, "But did all of this really happen?" I have a DVD of this,
called "La Conquista Dello Spazio" ("The Conquest of Space"), only in
Italian.
The questions about a "hoaxed" landing follow the usual bunk -- the
"waving flag" reveals the pictures were faxed in a movie studio with
wind, "the funny shadows from multiple light sources" etc. etc. Most of
these are debunked very well at
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
I've armed my son with explanations of the bad science, bad astronomy,
bad photography, and bad thinking for almost all of the arguments. The
last holdout argument for these two Italian high school teachers seems
to be, "But how could a little capsule lift off from the Moon when it
took such a monster spacecraft to get them off the Earth?"
I've armed my son with data on relative escape velocities (Moon roughly
20% of Earth), weights (of Saturn V booster at launch vs. the returning
part of the LEM) but I'm looking for an argument that even a
math-and-science idiot might understand.
Can anyone help me?
--Gary Walker, born in Hollister, CA but now living in Lucca Italy
gwlucca@xxxxxxxxx
P.S. Is anyone in the US facing this rather bizarre skepticism about
the history of the manned space program? Maybe because it happened so
long ago, many people today think of it as a myth?
* About relative size of LEM and Saturn 5, you could show that with a motor
able to offer enough thrust and 25000 km/sec exhaust speed it would also
been possible to lift off from Earth with a vehicle with a
payload/total_mass of 0,5. It perhaps would have been possible with the NOVA
motor.
* About hoax, the problem is that when someone had been shown to lie,
everything that is claimed by this person (or this entity) is questionnable.
Without mentionning any middle-east politics issue, even in science there
had been much claims particularly by NASA that were questionnable, for
example:
The assertion:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html
The dismiss:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/meteorites/alhnpap.html
Another example is the Clementine finding of hydrogen on Moon, which was
translated as water on Moon. Lunar prospector was crashed on south pole in
the hope there would be a water of cloud, but there was nothing detected.
The finding of hydrogen is unquestionnable, why did Nasaspoke of water?
Another example is the water on Mars, many assertions of past water evidence
by Nasa were dissmissed by reseachers of several US universities.
Jean-Pierre
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