David Winsemius lectures on USENET, Google, etc.


David Winsemius wrote:
"Reef Fish" <large_nassua_grouper@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:1162793583.067876.157030@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
Richard Ulrich <Rich.Ulrich@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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RU > That 1292 suggests that there *are* still 100 lurkers who
RU > never post, for every poster in a month, since it reflects
RU > only the minority who read through Google-groups.

DW> That estimate is flawed. A bit like using telephones as sampling
DW> strategy in 1932. Many people read newgroups using "real"
newsclients
DW> drawing from "real" newservers. They would not be in the Google
DW> counts.

RF> I seriously doubt this theory of yours. Google must have the
RF> subscriber count from the newsgroup itself.

DW> Yet another expression of your newbie status. Because of your lack
of
DW> clue to how newsgroups are organized and distributed, you imagine
Google
DW> to be the center of the USENET universe. What do you imagine to be
the
DW> physical basis for this construct you are labeling, "the newsgroup
DW> itself"? Where do you imagine this single entity, called "the
newsgroup",
DW> exists?

You are calling me a "newbie"? You made your FIRST post in USENET
on August 30, 2005 in sci.physics.

I had already made tens of thousands of posts in various USENET
groups before that date, since 1987,

Speaking of 'newbie" status, I had to teach David Wisenmius how to
tell POSTING TIME in April 2006:

DW> When I look at GoogleGroups it is dated:
DW> "Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 2:23 pm". If an
DW> Aussie looked at it, would the date even
DW> be the same?

RF> Wisenmius was in GMT -0600 when he looked at it,

Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:54:29 -0600
Newsgroups: sci.stat.consult
From: David Winsemius <doe_s...@xxxxxxxxxxx>

RF> Putting those two together,
RF> His post: 29 Mar 2006 20:54:29 -0600
RF> My post: 29 Mar 2006 12:23:18 -0600

RF> and one can easily see that my post appeared 8 hour
RF> 31 minutes before his, after I checked the individual
RF> posts for their GMT times.

Now suddenly David is a USENET, newsgroup, Google expert
(so he thinks in his delusion of grandeur). :-)

It is EASY to tell which of the 1296 subscribers post from their
newsfeed and which post from groups.google.com. I'll give
you all a hint right now, that NOT many of the 1296 post from
groups.google.com.

Now let's listen to Professor David Wisenmius's latest lecture.

This latest error on your part about USENET is akin to your repeated
error in citing the posting times displayed by Google as logically
related to when a posting appeared on any of the many other newservers
around the world.

See the clip above of David Wisenmius couldn't tell in April 2006
that his post was 8 hours after mine appeared and wondered how
an Australian can tell. LOL. That is the sign of a Clueless Newbie.


They would not necessarily even be countable by the newservers.
Subscription is an action performed at the client level.

But they can share with Google.

Exactly how would such count "sharing" occur? On what specification or
RFC are you basing your counter hypothesis. Can you specify an NNTP
parameter or protocol that would support such "sharing" among
newsservers? Suggested search term: "RFC 1036".

Yes I know exactly how Google CAN count, from the required specs
in every post Google posts. The NNTP is there, and the information
about YOUR posting agent AND the info Google can extract from the
required info in the detailed header.


Ooooh. David Wisenmius found RFC 1036!

This is found in the explanation of RFC 1036.

$>The required header lines are "From", "Date",
$> "Newsgroups", "Subject", "Message-ID", and "Path". The optional
$> header lines are "Followup-To", "Expires", "Reply-To", "Sender",
$> "References", "Control", "Distribution", "Keywords", "Summary",
$> "Approved", "Lines", "Xref", and "Organization".

Obviously David Wisenmius doesn't know HOW to tell if a post
is posted from groups.google OR posted from a newsgroup
reader, or HOW Google would know how to count the subscribers
to a newsgroup from the REQUIRED information in every post.

=== David Wisenmius's delirous speculation about Google

Do not be misled when you
read that newsservers "subscribe" to feeds. That is logically distinct
from what happens when I subscribe to a group on any of my news-clients.
Or you could try using a real newsclient, unplug your cable (yeah, so
last century), then suscribe. Assuming the client already has a list of
available newsgroups, you should see no complaint from the client. There
I did it...cable out... now I am also subscribed to 0.test. No software
error message. Cable back in.

=== end David Wisenmius's delirous speculation about Google

RF > I am sure I am counted at least 4 times by Google in its 1296
number.
RF > Probably so have you.

I doubt that Google will share their methods with you. For all of its
virtues, Google is not "open source."

I had told you my EXPERIENCE with subscription counts in groups
in which the info was available to subscribers.


You could be correct that I am
Google-counted multiply. Over the years I have posted to USENET through a
variety of ISP's as well as through the Google interface from different
machines.
--
David Winsemius

Noe Schitt Sherlock, David Winsemius.

How do you think Google KNEW all your posting information LONG
before there was DejaNews or Google? Here are just a few of
David Winsemius's posting IDs and posting ISPs and faked addresses:

From: David Winsemius <72634.1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> (1995)
From: David Winsemius <72634.1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> (1996)

From: dwinsem...@xxxxxxxx (David Winsemius) (1998)
From: David Winsemius <dwinsem...@xxxxxxxx> (1999)

From: David Winsemius <dwinsem...@xxxxxxxxx> (2002)

From: David Winsemius <dwin$em...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> (2003)

From: David Winsemius <dwin$em...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> (2005)munged ADDr.
From: David Winsemius <doe_s...@xxxxxxxxxxx> (2006) ANOTHER munged add.
From: David Winsemius <doe_s...@xxxxxxxxxxx> (2006) different munge.


What Google does NOT know is how many times David Winsemius
posted with names other than Winsemius, such as "Linda Crabbe".

DW> I have been married to Linda Crabbe for 24 years. Each of
DW> my emails to you was signed David Winsemius. (April 16 2006)

which only prompted my comment after one of the appearance's
of David Winsemius's multiple personalities:

On April 12, I took it on good faith when David Wisenmius
posted a Public Apology when I wrote:

RF> Sarcasm notwithstanding, I commend your acknowledgment
RF> of where you had erred, and I found your summary
RF> description fairly accurate not to require any
RF> further comment or counter-sarcasm on my part.

only to have to correct myself later:

RF> Having just seen a post by David Wisenmius in
RF> sci.stat.edu, in his follow-up to a post in
RF> sci.stat.math, in which he snipped the sci.stat.math
RF> and replaced it by some news.software group, I
RF> have to publicly admit that

RF> I WAS MISTAKEN

RF> I can now only surmise that David Wisenmius is
RF> schizophrenic, which in retrospect, seems to fit
RF> the image he was projecting by posting under
RF> different names, different ISPS, within a span
RF> of two days, including using the name Linda Crabbe.

RF> David, do us a favor will you?

RF> When you post NEXT time, identify which of your
RF> multiple personalities in your schozophrenia
RF> is doing the posting.

As for your USENET lecture, David Winsemius, save this
post so that you can use what you learned in some other
newsgroup in which I don't read, to show what you do know
NOW, just as you had apparently learned how to tell TIME.

Oh, the open question (which I left out the answer) for
David Winsemius and others to figure out HOW I can tell
is a post is posted FROM groups.google or from a
a newsgroup reader from an ISP of the poster.

The last paragraph is of course what shatters David
Winsemius's WILD WILD conjecture that 1296 readers
all subscribe to Google and post from Google.

-- Reef Fish Bob.

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