Re: one sample t-test --> nonparamatric equivalent?
- From: Anatol <anatol.sendker@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:38:59 EST
Using the one-sample t-test is probably the most
sensible thing.
If you want a test that is strictly non-parametric,
with easy-to-state
assumptions, do a sign test. Compare the count of
those "below
average" (both groups) to the count of the two groups
above average.
If you were to elect to weight the responses
differentially, such as,
2 points for each extreme, and 1 point for the
moderately above/below,
you are pretty much back to the one-sample t-test.
Doing anything with ranks implicitly entails scoring
the groups by
a rank-transform. That will result, most likely, in
uneven intervals
between the groups: which is hardly likely to be an
improvement
on the original scoring.
Also,rank procedures are not very good when there are
too many
ties owing to score categories like these. If you
use the
rank-transforms where there are numerous ties, you
may be apt to
see a variance estimate (for large samples) which is
less accurate
than the computation you would get from doing a
t-test on the
rank-transformed scores. -- If you want to perform
with a rank
transform, then do the transform and use a one-sample
t-test.
But if I were a critic, I would want to see the
simple one-sample
t-test on the original data.
Richard, thank you for your message. It seems anything else than the one sample t-test will get things just complicated. I take it that the t-test assumes
1. normally distributed data
2. interval data
as to 1. I ran (with my test data) a Kolmogorov-Smirnov test to check for normality (to be able to use the t-test) and with K-S sig. = .104 I would be able to argue for normality, and consequently for the use of the one sample t-test, right?
as to 2. I actually do have a number of sources I can reference on why Likert data is sometimes treated as interval. It is just that my supervisor (who will mark my work) suggested to use non-parametric tests, because that would not have to make the interval data assumption.
compare a one sample
My question: Is there a nonparametric test to
mean to a known mean?"solution": I
I did not find anything on that. My current goofy
experimented with SPSS and used my one sample dataand generated a
dummy variable which I set at "3" for allrespondents and then ran the
Mann-Whitney test to compare means. Of course, thesecond sample has a
mean of 3 with a SD of 0. The Mann-Whitneysignificance here is the
same (very close) to when I run a one sample t-testwith the data, so
I guess the result is "correct".
I wouldn't accept it as a work-around. I don't know
whether it may
happen to result in exactly the same test-value as
doing a one-sample
t-test on rank-transformed data, but it is inferior
(and probably has
less power) if it comes out different.
OK got it. I know it is not a nice way to do...just experimented a little.
When I use the Wilcoxon signed-rank test with a 2nd (dummy) set of values all set at 3 and I get sig. = .190 in my example.
Using the Mann-Whitney test I get sig. = .222 (which feels like the better alternative, since the sample is independent, at least I think so)
Using the one sample t-test (comparing to 3) I get sig. = .211
So roughly they produce similar significance. But the Wilcoxon and Mann-Whitney are not very neat for this situation, because I do not have the 2nd sample that I need, compared to the one-sample t-test, which works somewhat fine, given the assumptions stated above.
Rich Ulrich
Again, thank you for your input
Anatol
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