Re: Lyme Disease in blood
From: Mark Greenfield (nospam_at_nospam.com)
Date: 07/17/04
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:55:30 +0100
gordon
just back from 2 weeks housesitting and can now get back on the PC,
there's a recent article you may be interested in, mostly on treatment
but covers how they obtained the images etc. (there's always someone
with a bigger microscope :) have a look at
http://www.im.microbios.org/26June04/09%20Brorson.pdf
i'll dig out some others when the kids give me 5 minutes :)
cheers
mark
In message <immIc.46544$Lh.16139@okepread01>, Gordon Couger
<gcouger@NOSPAMprovalue.net> writes
>
>"Mark Greenfield" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:7IeTaCCbRZ8AFwt+@wadhurst.demon.co.uk...
>> Actually it's a bit easier than that, as they also burrow into your
>> blood cells, borrelia is pleomorphic and can exist in at least three
>> different morphologic forms: spirochaetal, spherolplast (or l-form), and
>> the recently discovered cystic form. L-forms and cystic forms do not
>> contain cell walls and can therefore evade the immune system and thus
>> beta lactam antibiotics will not affect them. Hence it's a bit of a
>> bugger to treat.
>>
>> After about 24 hours from the blood sample being taken the cysts start
>> to emerge from the blood cells, (baring in mind this is the blood from
>> someone who has already had over 8 months of high dose oral and IV
>> antibiotics) probably a defensive mechanism similar to e-coli, and form
>> the more familiar corkscrew spirochaete shape. I've got a great (well
>> that's maybe an overstatement :) 20 minute video of the little devils in
>> my blood, with a long shot of a fully formed sp entering a new blood
>> cell.
>>
>> You'll probably see in the news over the next year or so that lots of
>> people with ME, CFS and even Gulf War Syndrome actually have very active
>> borrelia infections, which have previously gone undiagnosed due to the
>> unreliable ELISA and western blot blood tests. PCR is gradually helping
>> but is still not available on the NHS.
>>
>> I'd be happy to send anyone a slide once I get up and running if anyone
>> is interested. I'd wear some gloves though :)
>>
>> Thanks again for all your help and advice everyone, sorry I haven't
>> replied sooner but I'm housesitting at the moment and can't access the
>> PC very often.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> mark
>>
>Mark,
>
>You should publish if you can actually do it. A search on www.pubmed.org
>for 'borrelia AND spheroplast AND blood' brings up three papers one that
>hints at the possibility of involvement in MS, CFS, et al. I would be most
>intersted in seeing a slide.
>
>By the way you have spheroplast spelled wrong in your post and that will
>mess up any searches you do.
>
>You will still have to separate the blood cells from emerged bacteria and
>dispose of the cells and concentrate the bacteria to find them in all that
>mess unless you really have a massive infection.
>
>Gordon
>
>
-- Mark Greenfield
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